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Author Shawn Church
Categories Editorial
Create Date July 15, 2004 00:32
Last Update July 15, 2004 02:30
Nostalgia meets Reality??

I admit that going into this particular comparison I had a preconceived notion that today's pocket rockets weren't offering the value of their predecessors. In the tradition of our grandparents, "when I was a kid" it was always better, right? Of course, when our grandparents told us that, all we had to go on was their word and maybe a dusty old book or microfiche in the library.

The proliferation of the web, however, brings a whole new meaning to historical comparisons. Our blurred view of history is far easier to debunk with actual facts and figures - if we're willing to look. In light of this, I decided to compare the seminal hot rod econo cars of the 90's and today in a limited match up - adjusted price, power, weight and acceleration performance. How much, if at all, better do we have it today?

The 90's team is a varied lot. I tried to select cars from 1995-1999 that listed for not much more than $20k when new. I only looked at base prices for the sake of simplicity. Our old-timer's league consists of the following vehicles:

1998 Acura Integra GS-R Coupe
1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1998 Nissan 200SX SE-R Coupe
1997 Ford Probe GT Coupe
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T Coupe

and pinch hitting I just had to throw in the 1994 Nissan Sentra SE-R. While it is mechanically very similar to the 200SX, the engine was better, the chassis was lighter and it was a hell of a lot cheaper.

For the modern day up and comers, I tried to stick with some of the same brands and the same basic rules with one exception which I'll explain in a minute. The team consists of:

2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R V-spec
2003 Mazdaspeed Protege
2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4
2004 Honda Civic Si
2004 Ford Focus SVT 3dr

and the pinch hitter for the modern team is the 2004 Acura RSX-S. Yes, it breaks the $20k price range, but such a compelling and interesting comparison with the great Integra GS-R shouldn't be neglected - and this is a Honda/Acura enthusiast site after all.

Now you know the players. Who do you think has the upper hand? Have time and progress elevated the performance bar in the world of cheap performance? Let's find out.

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07-15-2004 03:53
Civic Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
07-15-2004 08:39
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07-15-2004 10:41
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07-15-2004 12:31
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07-15-2004 13:41
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07-15-2004 15:44
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CivicGSiR
07-15-2004 16:51
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S600=Dream
07-16-2004 13:08
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Mugen Power
07-16-2004 08:07
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Dren
07-16-2004 12:49
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JeffX
07-17-2004 13:24
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TonyEX
07-15-2004 20:42
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3stageD15B
07-15-2004 20:55
Re: Civic Si and handling envelopes   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-15-2004 22:15
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Karl O.
07-16-2004 00:38
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3stageD15B
07-16-2004 08:13
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Dren
07-15-2004 15:40
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07-15-2004 17:28
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Neilap
07-15-2004 22:50
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precisionelite
07-17-2004 13:33
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TonyEX
07-16-2004 00:04
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CDN-SiR-02
07-16-2004 11:32
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JMU R1
07-16-2004 12:46
Re: Civic Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
07-16-2004 13:00
true dat   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
07-17-2004 23:51
Si(R) a great car   (Score: 1, Normal)
mac_powah
04-07-2017 01:24
Re: Civic Si   (Score: 1, Normal)
ma123
04-07-2017 01:25
car dvd   (Score: 1, Normal)
ma123
07-26-2004 19:22
just thanks for a good comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
jss
07-15-2004 14:15
You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-15-2004 15:05
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
07-15-2004 15:55
Re: Pocket Rocket Definition = ?   (Score: 1, Normal)
jes98gsr
07-15-2004 16:18
Re: Pocket Rocket Definition = ?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Dren
07-15-2004 16:41
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-19-2004 01:38
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
MugenDX
07-15-2004 22:27
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
Karl O.
07-16-2004 10:12
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
RyanDL
07-15-2004 16:37
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
thunderbird1100
07-16-2004 18:09
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
WongKN
07-17-2004 13:11
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-18-2004 01:14
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
BOOMER
07-18-2004 12:42
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
franckv
07-18-2004 21:07
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
WongKN
07-19-2004 15:02
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
franckv
07-19-2004 21:42
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
WongKN
07-20-2004 17:00
Getting off topic!   (Score: 1, Normal)
franckv
07-22-2004 01:00
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-18-2004 22:19
Re: You missed the Best Pocket Rocket Ever!   (Score: 1, Normal)
Chris_pnoy
07-16-2004 13:55
Nicely done!   (Score: 1, Normal)
xcel
07-15-2004 18:50
Could TOV arrange a Si (now vs. then) comparison?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CivicGSiR
07-16-2004 11:16
Re: Could TOV arrange a Si (now vs. then) comparison?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Tuan
07-15-2004 07:24
Back in the day?   (Score: 1, Normal)
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