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Day 3 - Dyno and Dragstrip

Alas, what could have been. Day 3 dawned hazy but dry in Atlanta and our spirits were up because this was the day we were to hit the drag strip. While I personally prefer road racing, we weren't able to take the Accord V6 6MT coupe and TSX to a real racetrack. And while the Tail of the Dragon is huge fun, we can't push the cars to the limit safely there. The dragstrip, on the other hand, allows us to perfect our launches and find the limits of acceleration for the test cars in the relative safety of a dedicated facility.

But before we went to the strip, we hit the dyno to get the objective numbers on engine output. Our dyno facility of choice in Atlanta (and the south in general) is Dynolab in Marietta, Georgia (http://www.dynolab.net). We arrived in late morning and were graciously greeted by Arthur, the owner of the shop. As a fellow dyno owner, I'll tell you right now, Arthur is a great guy to work with and was efficient and helpful in response to all our unusual requests.

The TSX was up first and it laid down a pretty solid pass of 169.9 hp and backed it up within 1 horsepower on a subsequent run. Torque was 152.2 lbs-ft. Once again, Honda underrates a K-series, although in this case not nearly as bad as they did with the K24 Accords. We estimate the real flywheel output of this engine to be somewhere in the vicinity of 210 hp and 175-180 lbs-ft. Check out how flat the torque curve is as well despite using a single runner intake manifold. i-VTEC scores again. Also note how high the VTEC transition is at 6000 rpm. That's the same rpm the K20A2 in the RSX-S switches. And we already know that the RSX responds even better to a 5200 rpm VTEC point. Could there be another big swell of torque in the midrange with some Hondata hacking? Don't bet against it.

The Accord went second and performed like we thought it would after hammering the throttle for a couple of days. No shy, retiring commuter engine, the J30A4 is a beast. It belted out 217 hp and 195 lbs-ft of torque at the wheels. And this engine is only rated at 240 hp/212 lbs-ft at the flywheel! Of course, we did use premium gas to extract the most possible power and the J30A4 rewarded us with a surplus. By comparison, last year's CL-S 6-spd pumped out 218 hp and 201 lbs-ft (also on a Dynojet) from its J32A2 engine. We felt that the J32A2 was pretty accurately rated at 260 hp/232 lbs-ft at the flywheel. If this is the case, that would make the Accord a 260 hp/225-230 lbs-ft engine. Not bad for 3 liters, SOHC and the "economy" form of VTEC. Note how ruler flat the torque curve is. From 1500 to 6500 the engine produces 90% or more of its peak torque. The little blip at 4000 rpm appears to be the VTEC transition, while at 5000 rpm the intake manifold butterfly valves open. Sweet. If we had any complaint about this engine it was that it wanted more revs - yep, that's about the only complaint.

We used some OBDII logging software to ensure that intake and coolant temps were consistent across all runs. The TSX was far easier to keep cooler as it shares a similar cooling system with the Accord, but produces far less output to tax the radiator with. We also checked tire pressures (37 psi hot on both cars) to further ensure that we controlled as many variables as we could.

After doing our baseline runs, both cars were also subjected to our traditional intake mod test, whereby we tweak the stock airboxes (or remove them) to see if there is any power lurking in the intake. The answer? A resounding yes. The TSX gained about 5 hp while the Accord picked up nearly 7. Imagine what a proper cold air intake will do!

Once the dynos were finished, we did an undercar video of each car, highlighting the critical elements and differences. You'll have to wait for the pictures and the videos, but suffice it to say the most noticeable difference between the two cars which share a platform was the aero trim on the TSX. Acura really went all out on this car and it pays off in great gas mileage and low wind noise - oh yeah, and great stability at high speed.

After the dyno runs we took a break and headed out to Montgomery, AL to hit the dragstrip. We encountered a real frog strangler of a storm on the way that required us to slow down to 30-40 mph on the Interstate because visibility was so bad. A little worried about the rain, we called base camp to check the weather in Montgomery and were told that the storm had passed. A call to the track confirmed they planned to open. Imagine our disappointment then when we arrived to be told that they would not be racing that night. Never mind that a tractor was dragging the track (to put rubber down) and the sky was clear. They were worried about another storm system on its way - yeah, so why not race and then stop when the rain hits? I confess that maybe I just didn't understand Southern sensibilities in this case.

Regardless, we did manage to get some good data for you. Stay tuned for a more in-depth engine analysis and technology review.



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07-08-2003 12:12
Vids and reviews????????   (Score: 1, Normal)
zapata
07-09-2003 10:28
Re: Vids and reviews????????   (Score: 1, Normal)
RyanDL
07-09-2003 15:14
Re: Vids and reviews????????   (Score: 1, Normal)
zapata
03-17-2004 19:44
Re: Vids and reviews????????   (Score: 1, Normal)
AaronNg
07-28-2003 13:29
Further Information - Conclusion - Etc...   (Score: 1, Normal)
Teirisius
08-06-2003 02:04
Re: Further Information - Conclusion - Etc...   (Score: 1, Normal)
zapata
06-30-2003 20:10
J30a4   (Score: 1, Normal)
Roadmaster
07-23-2003 23:14
Re: J30a4   (Score: 1, Normal)
DRog
07-14-2003 14:31
Is anything else forthcomming???   (Score: 1, Normal)
vtechbrain
07-14-2003 18:06
Re: Is anything else forthcomming???   (Score: 1, Normal)
Tuan
07-15-2003 09:54
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vtechbrain
07-17-2003 12:19
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DV
07-17-2003 13:28
Re: Is anything else forthcomming???   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
06-29-2003 19:49
How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
T-R
06-29-2003 22:35
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
07-01-2003 16:32
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Lung Fu Mo Shi
07-08-2003 12:27
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
KenB
07-09-2003 01:54
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
WongKN
07-09-2003 11:53
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
07-10-2003 04:09
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WongKN
07-10-2003 09:04
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gilbert
07-10-2003 11:09
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
07-11-2003 20:01
Redline, RPM and parasitic loses?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
07-11-2003 10:51
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
MaxRC
07-11-2003 12:00
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notyper
07-11-2003 15:42
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MaxRC
07-11-2003 16:23
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gilbert
07-11-2003 19:50
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TonyEX
07-11-2003 18:09
Re: How did you come up with HP estimates?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
07-11-2003 08:54
1/4 miles times?   (Score: 1, Normal)
99SI
07-11-2003 10:19
Re: 1/4 miles times?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-27-2003 10:00
Nice work!   (Score: 1, Normal)
vtechbrain
07-01-2003 11:16
Re: Nice work!   (Score: 1, Normal)
CivicB18
06-30-2003 17:25
This article needs a conclusion!   (Score: 1, Normal)
hatchback
06-30-2003 18:09
Re: This article needs a conclusion!   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
06-30-2003 22:56
Re: This article needs a conclusion!   (Score: 1, Normal)
provench
06-27-2003 10:40
Cool review   (Score: 1, Normal)
constructicon
06-30-2003 09:49
Re: Cool review   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-26-2003 11:04
Accord vs CL instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-26-2003 11:26
Re: Accord vs CL instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-26-2003 12:41
Re: Accord vs CL instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
torqueie
06-26-2003 12:56
Re: Accord vs CL instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-26-2003 15:38
Re: Accord vs CL instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
torqueie
06-26-2003 19:18
Accord V6 EX sedan vs. TSX AT?   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-29-2003 19:10
Power vs. balance is a more interesting comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
iceman6
06-29-2003 23:05
Re: Power vs. balance is a more interesting comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-30-2003 00:06
Re: Power vs. balance is a more interesting comparison   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
06-26-2003 18:17
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
hatchback
06-26-2003 20:45
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
NSXman
06-26-2003 23:10
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
purplesage
06-28-2003 02:21
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
hatchback
06-28-2003 21:00
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Classic
06-28-2003 21:41
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notyper
06-28-2003 23:39
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TonyEX
06-29-2003 00:41
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-30-2003 00:18
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Classic
06-30-2003 05:27
Re: Accord I4 EX 4dr MT vs TSX 4dr MT instead?   (Score: 1, Normal)
Daveg5
06-27-2003 09:51
Why so small pictures ???   (Score: 1, Normal)
danielgr
06-27-2003 13:12
Re: Why so small pictures ???   (Score: 1, Normal)
Tuan
06-27-2003 13:31
Re: Why so small pictures ???   (Score: 1, Normal)
DV
06-28-2003 13:40
Re: Why so small pictures ???   (Score: 1, Normal)
bowersan
06-28-2003 17:14
woops!   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
06-27-2003 13:58
New TSX Dyno   (Score: 1, Normal)
TinkySD
06-27-2003 14:30
Re: New TSX Dyno   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
06-27-2003 16:53
Re: New TSX Dyno   (Score: 1, Normal)
TinkySD
06-28-2003 09:14
Re: New TSX Dyno   (Score: 1, Normal)
Xavi77
06-28-2003 09:21
Re: New TSX Dyno   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-27-2003 13:35
SO NICE   (Score: 1, Normal)
ivtec105
06-25-2003 01:02
I'd sure like to be on that trip!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
NSXman
06-25-2003 08:54
Re: I'd sure like to be on that trip!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
06-25-2003 09:27
Re: I'd sure like to be on that trip!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
06-25-2003 11:06
Re: I'd sure like to be on that trip!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
NSXman
06-27-2003 12:13
Re: I'd sure like to be on that trip!!   (Score: 1, Normal)
mugen00
06-26-2003 15:51
Hey what color was the TSX?   (Score: 1, Normal)
mentaloriental
06-26-2003 23:48
Re: Hey what color was the TSX?   (Score: 1, Normal)
notyper
06-27-2003 10:03
Re: Hey what color was the TSX?   (Score: 1, Normal)
vtechbrain
06-27-2003 11:39
Re: Hey what color was the TSX?   (Score: 1, Normal)
mentaloriental
06-24-2003 23:17
HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-24-2003 23:35
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
99SI
06-25-2003 02:18
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
eidji
06-25-2003 08:59
less than 2 hours from ATL   (Score: 1, Normal)
JeffX
06-25-2003 10:05
Re: less than 2 hours from ATL   (Score: 1, Normal)
HiFiGuy
06-25-2003 10:44
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-25-2003 17:47
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
HiFiGuy
06-25-2003 18:25
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-26-2003 19:30
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
HiFiGuy
06-26-2003 19:44
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
TonyEX
06-27-2003 00:44
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
HiFiGuy
06-25-2003 11:38
Re: HMA.... it's in the boonies for sure...   (Score: 1, Normal)
99SI
06-25-2003 18:14
Road Atlanta?   (Score: 1, Normal)
CivicGSiR
06-25-2003 18:32
Re: Road Atlanta?   (Score: 1, Normal)
gilbert
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